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[Music] [Music] you next we're gonna talk about inverter alright so now we've got an inverter right here in the middle and this is not an inverter charger this is an inverter so the biggest issues when you trouble an inverter honestly is remember what I said yesterday and this was important inverters have no ability of saying no they will do whatever you ask of them the only thing that protects them is going to be this fuse right here that is rated and extremely specified by the manufacturer of your inverter and that fuse will stop the inverter from doing too much work in the summer or in the winter fall or spring people get a little bit enthusiastic of what an inverter can do they try to run their heaters ceramic heaters through the inverter when they're at Anchorage thinking hey you know what I need more heat I don't have my generator running I'm not connected Shore power I'm gonna plug in all my heaters now besides the point that you are burning through your batteries faster than they can ever experience you're talking about a life event of epic proportions in terms of the load the inverter is gonna try to do what you want it's gonna say hey you know that's what they want the only thing that saves that inverter is this fuse this fuse will blow protecting the inverter but now you don't understand why your inverter doesn't work anymore and if you're not connected to shore power which you probably aren't because you're using your inverter this inverter lights up for two needs two things generally it needs either shore power or it needs battery power and if you're not connected to shore power because you're running your inverter then this thing goes dark and it's dead and you don't know why first step it's change that fuse before you change that fuse you turn the switch off right so there's no load change the fuse make sure the connection is done perfectly remember stainless steel is not conductive that fuse is going to have stainless steel washers if you put that stainless steel washer between the fuse holder in between the fuse holder in the fuse you will melt that fuse holder it will melt literally down and I that fuse older does not melt easily because stainless is not practically non conductive like four percent I'm not sure something like that stainless steel is not a conductive material like copper so you're changing the fuse make sure every the washers are in the exact same order they were in okay this is very important change that fuse turn the switch back on this should light up all right it does not light up okay was the switch accidentally turned off shouldn't because it's out of the way it's hidden it's not very accessible but someone could have been your engine room playing with switches right that's off that's another one the other issue might be the remote panel I don't have a remote panel here but this here has a remote panel and generally you can do everything on an inverter or you can do it at the remote panel forget the remote panel go to the inverter try to turn it on or off at the inverter on older inverters the freedom brand you know the one that's super popular like probably 80% of all boats have that inverter on board does that tracks inverter from heart interface the communication port could die on that device or the monitor could for whatever reason die the inverter is still intact but it does not communicate via the remote control if the inverter works on the inverter but you can enable or disable it on the remote the problem is not the inverter per se it's the communication port on the inverter charger or on the inverter end or the remote the other thing too is you might want to look at see that if there's an AC output on this you might be blaming the inverter but it's not the inverter of the problem you have an AC output but you have not enabled these circuit breakers that are powering whatever appliance you want to power like the microwave the outlets you're blaming the inverter but actually the outlets are not on because an inverter does not power directly anything it goes through circuit breakers okay so the circuit breakers have to be on No you can't blame your microwave not working to the inverter if the microwave breaker is not turned on oh yeah absolutely this is just a conceptual they're absolutely on big boats there's just one panel but at the back they're effectively two on most boats if you have an inverter on your boat and it's probably done conceptually on the front you think you have one but in reality the panel is broken in parts in the back there are ways that the way that it's wired so this is just a conceptual saying that these are inverter loads or AC bypass loads and these are not inverter loads there's just separating them but they're they're effectively separated but they're one beside one another and the panel looks one but it's actually been divided into two parts that's how you divide non-inverted and invertible on a boat yeah there are ways by the way we're gonna go down a rabbit hole just warning everyone here just gonna go down for about 30 seconds and we're gonna come back okay don't want to lose anybody nobody exits inverters have this feature called pass through this panel here should have a breaker here called inverter it's not an inverter breaker anymore it's an inverter charger breaker that has to be on all the time forever and ever and ever never turn it off it should have a cap it shouldn't even be a circuit breaker it should be a thermal circuit breaker but they don't exist and that's how they are never turn it off this if there's AC coming in here there's AC going there and goes in if AC s here it goes there this devices sees AC coming in says I have AC going in even though you told me to be an inverter you mean only be an inverter if I don't see AC then it sends AC out here and then this is AC panel inverter lows not or bypass loads that's how it works we're back out of the rabbit hole okay remember rule number one nothing's easy remember one nothing is easy we're just trying to keep it simple your inverter you don't have AC at all on board right now there's generators not on short powers not on that's why the - is why would your inverter not work it's pretty straightforward you have a fuse that's blown this is off this has Oh still works but the remote panel doesn't they do fail or you have AC coming out of here and this here the breakers that you think should work actually don't work because they're not on or they failed potentially most of the time 90% of the time your inverter is going to fail here or the inverter is gonna die and you're gonna be disappointed that a 20 year old piece of equipment of electronic equipment died on your boat and I remind people all the time I'm like oh really you're disappointed your 25 year old inverter died I mean like so in your personal life at home at the office you have pieces of electronic equipment electronic full full-on boards like a full computer that's giving you great service after 25 years I'm like would should I take a pen and paper and start writing down all these items because you're gonna go so quickly or is my - my hands too much to start counting how many things in your life are 25 years old electronic full-blown that are working 25 you know and then you think oh in a marine environment full of vibration in an engine room where it gets hot Oh 25 years you're disappointed okay well maybe we need to align your expectations someone maybe didn't tell you what's involved in an inverter they lost honestly 15 20 25 but at one point like you can't this is not gonna work forever right like it will fail and they do fail because most of them were installed in the wave of invader craze which was sub 2000 between 95 and 2000 if you had a boat you got an inverter and it's a heart interface freedom 10 15 20 25 30 there are in British Columbia if there's 15,000 votes with inverters 12 thousands of them have that inverter on board everybody got an inverter in that era and everybody got the same one and those inverters are now failing they just are they're just normal and they fail only when you use them inverters don't fail on the dock they don't fail when you don't use them they don't fail just before you go they fail under use when your way so you eliminate the obvious if you eliminated the obvious and everything else then it's the inverter sub inverters can be fixed some inverters can't if it's a budget inverter can be fixed if it's an expensive an inverter generally can be fixed budget inverters are high-frequency expensive inverters are low frequency one that's heavy one that's big is expensive one that's small and tiny and it's cheap can be fixed that's how it works any questions on troubleshooting an inverter on a boat now really rare very rare you could certainly have a circuit breaker on this device that fails there's an AC circuit breaker on this device and that's a really good point this here has an output breaker I've seen that where that house AC output breaker has blown there's a little thermal circuit breaker on the panel on the inverter so that's possible but AC panels don't fail I mean I've seen dead shorts where they melt in the back but then you're starting everything's not working on your boat or it's like oh I smell fire on my boat nothing's working should I have someone come on board I'm like can you please leave the boat right away stay far and not use your boat until someone comes like literally I had an owner he's like my wife smells fire saw a little bit of smoke behind the panel you think we should have someone come on board and we were at Coal Harbour at Royal Van and I only tell her one of my technicians I'm like drop everything you're doing right now and you need to get yourself to Coal Harbour the other side and sure enough there was a dead shorten that happened in the back of the panel and breakers that started melting onto one another and it was pretty close so we disconnected the shore power and then fixed it but yeah so circuit breaker over here could fail but panel failure is extremely rare extremely rare it happens but very rare any other questions on troubleshooting or diagnosing an inverter