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[Music] you [Music] alright this is gonna be I think the last one on power generation there's not a lot here I want to show basically this is a good way to kind of understand what a generator does versus a DC generator because when it comes to troubleshooting my batteries aren't charging because of my generator look at what's involved here versus what's involved here all right there's a lot of things that you need to understand that happens on the output of an AC generator to get your batteries to recharge yes AC generators will have alternators but they are tiny it is barely to just keep the battery that started the generator running there might be a 30 amp 20 amp alternator your generator should have a dedicated battery most don't but they should and that battery's going to get its own charge from the alternator from the generator but once you output the real purpose of an AC generators to run AC loads and AC loads are gonna involve of many things a battery charger and so with an AC generator you're basically creating AC you're effectively replicating what Shore power does and you're recharging your batteries with a battery charger a DC generator outputs literally direct current and it goes straight pipe via fuse always a fuse to the battery so conceptually that's the difference between an AC generator and a DC generator to recharge the batteries okay any questions on this because I'm not gonna be coaching people on how to buy an AC generator in this presentation because that could be a full lawn day or weekend but any questions on generators and DC generators no the DC generator has it it's part of it there's a regulator absolutely there has to be same thing that a generator also has an AC regulator inside the generator as well yes oh absolutely yeah yeah the question is do you run the same risk not having a switch absolutely you you want to have the alternator output directly out to this battery here you might not even start the DC generator from the same battery as you're outputting right you might have the engine batteries start that and then this go to your house because you don't want to be in a chicken-and-egg situation I see this situation all the time and when we're designing an electrical system the very battery that you're trying to save is the battery that gets you out of trouble it's like saying your get out of jail card is only at home well you can't get your get out of jail card if you don't have it on your person so it's essential that a generator be started from a battery that is separate than the battery you are worried about and that's a common thing that we do is saying well this is crazy and a generating battery is not expensive we're talking about a hundred one hundred and fifty dollars to put a dedicated battery just to started the generator so that is probably one of the top things that I do on the power boats as I like now this is crazy we're putting still have a switch everything's there but we're not gonna start the generator from one of your house batteries that's the whole point of having a generators that when all else fails you have the trump card you're like I got this let me start my generator run the chargers and then the problems go away yeah you would have that that's absolutely true and you would have that either in line depending if they Deezy chain the alternator this starter or you might have it completely separate if they're starting the DC generator from another battery correct know what depends it depends again and I don't know I can't give I don't give because those can be yeah I just I advice is one of those things you never want to make generalizations I'm talking you have to know if your alternator your DC generator the output is going to the same battery that starts or is it going to a different battery it depends on how its wired yeah a remote battery switch is the same thing as a battery switch it's just it's there for convenience DC generators are awesome because most boats now are going to inverter based voting meaning a lot of boats are actually running all AC loads on an inverter and the batteries are what runs the boat so really the thing that matters is recharging the batteries yes of the Honda generator yeah yeah downsides is you're losing the there's no grounding you're back to circa 1898 you got two wires there's no there's no return path so that's one issue question was downsides of using a Honda portable generator on your boat well besides the noise it's far from being quiet that's a reality yeah that's when it runs in the forest and there's no echoing let me tell you on the water anybody who's heard a Honda 2000 generator on the water says it's quiet they probably don't even know what the sound of music is like like they've lost all hearing you can hear those things all along what in the forest it's probably different because in the forest you know you're RVing everything's like absorbing the sound water does not absorb SAP it's just one that'd be one thing but that depends vibration depends those are just inconveniences for me what stopped me using mine was using it in desolation sound in the winter so I was alone didn't feel too bad put it on the transom facing aft Dodger Bimini no side windows companionway is closed lazarette come boards are completely closed I'm off the boat off the boat I'm a tanker swinging and I'm thinking ok the exhaust is pointing ass and I'm swinging right I got this for like I'm thinking river kayaking days like I'm like it's just gonna be blown back I'm good like what are the chat and I've got the companionway and the hatch boards closed and also my vents are facing the cow vents are facing forward oh my I got this go on a tender ride cuz I can't hear the sound for 3 hours because I still can hear music go on and tend to ride for 3 hours come back the carbon monoxide detectors in the boats are beeping that was the last time I used it I was like risk/reward I'm like I have a boat life is pretty good I don't want to throw it away I'm like what if my carbon monoxide detector isn't working properly I'm like I'm not taking a chance now I'm very risk adverse I'm off the spectrum the risk adverse I'm always the risk reward risk reward risk reward Oh Mike there's got to be a better way and I went hunted generator and now it's a backup for the shop I love it it's awesome but I'm not having an online boat and the second point that was saying is the fact that the ground is not grounded there's no ground it's two wires it's neutral and hot so that's the other issue any other questions on generators so we're gonna take a short break about 10 minutes and then we're gonna dial into power sharing alright