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so tell me how did you end up
choosing uh for this tactical
the diesel outboards i mean we don't see
them all too often
but i mean it's sort of this holy grail
of
people have been talking and wanting it
so tell me a little bit about your
journey in
choosing uh the product and what were
your hesitations
um pros and cons tell us a little bit
about how you went about
doing that for the tactical number two
so i can go back to what i said
beginning of this uh this webinar
being a guinea pig well i don't like to
be the guinea pig but i was careful
because you know
diesels uh in an outboard package uh as
you know they've been around for a fair
amount of time but in a mass production
and a large horsepower
scenario it's relatively new to the
world
and there's several companies out there
doing it um we found
hawks diesel outboards out of uh london
and england
to be the best fit for what we want to
do
there's enough of them proven at this
point they're relatively new to market
company but been around for 10 plus
years
in terms of design technology investment
uh what they're doing and there's quite
a backing behind it so
you know we did our homework thoroughly
and i thought that you know if i can
carry a large amount of fuel
and in our boat we're carrying 650 us
gallons of fuel of diesel
uh which is a lot for its class and the
goal was to have range
and if i can take that to the next level
and you know have a diesel outboard
that's going to be anywhere
between 20 to 30 percent you know more
efficient
you know we're running at low lower rpms
each one of these 300
horsepower outboards is producing close
to 500 foot-pounds of torque
um you know when we ran the numbers and
went through the tech process and the
naval architecture
on our project um it was a great fit and
you know we're
we're about to prove it shortly you know
we'll be one of the first setups of a
triple outboard package
um you know we could have done with
a dual package but at the same point um
you know we want to push the limits we
want to have some more speed
capabilities and things like that
and we you know there's some unique
configurations so when we looked at it
that we could be running um in theory uh
triple engines get up on a plane and
shut down the center engine
and raise the leg and be cruising more
efficient
at a certain speed and burning less fuel
um that was appealing
and then going one step farther let's
say that you were wanting to go
you know up to alaska or coastal
cruising and it wasn't about speed it
was about you know
making anywhere between six and nine
knots we can lift up the two outboard
engines and run on a single
at an appropriate rpm and massively
increase the range of this boat and turn
it into a trawler mode
so those things for us were super
appealing to do some unique stuff and
proof will be in the pudding you know
we'll prove shortly what we can do good
and bad
and we'll modify if need be but like i
said all the numbers made a lot of sense
um they're an expensive engine but at
the end of the day what we're getting
out of it
service intervals life expectancy safety
factor of carrying 650 us gallons of
diesel versus gasoline in the boat
really like that factor um you know it
made a lot of sense so
really optimistic about it and um you
know excited to you know get on the
water as much as i've ever been for
something and improve the package
so tell me uh has this been done before
where i it's the first time i hear about
it i think it's pretty neat so you're
you take off with three of course
getting onto planes the hardest
um and then are you manually disengaging
one engine
and actually then turning it off lifting
the leg for drag
and then you're having the boat
basically stay on plane which is
obviously
less hard than getting onto plane with
only two engines has that been done
before
so not that i know of but uh we're gonna
make it happen
i'm confident that we can have the
ability to do it based on all the
numbers
the weight of the boat like i said uh
looking at the tech specs of it we're
confident we'll make it happen
you know the the proof will be in how
efficient we are and how much fuel we're
saving
and what you know we what the crew speed
comes down to
and so you know we'll have all those
numbers and we'll know what it's going
to look like and we'll know the optimal
ranges so
for us once again it's not always about
you know getting there the fastest
we're confident we might get there the
first of our faster votes because we can
handle
rougher water more comfortably in the
way we've set this boat up
what's the displacement of the boat for
for the listeners
about so this this boat you put in
perspective if we want to call
um you know let's call it a 40-foot sea
ray tierra things like that could be
anywhere between 13
to 18 000 pounds in that ballpark this
boat is somewhere between
you know 24 and 28 000 pounds
so um similar sizes uh
but it's a heavier boat you know we we
named the boat tank so it's already been
named tank
uh but fun name just because that was
the focus is
you know getting their efficiency that's
actually a
a 30 foot model that's on the screen
they're another tactical different than
the one we're building now but
uh just something else to look at just
another future potential design
you um i don't think we mentioned so
aluminum hall
um and and talk a little bit about what
you're doing with the finishing inside i
think it's pretty neat what your
what your approach is on the finishing
on the inside yeah so
seeing that it's you know we have some
companies as we've talked about with
vinyl wraps and wrap boats and
history of yacht construction with our
primary company crescent yachts
um we are going to push some envelopes
so this boat is
100 zero wood and that sounds you know
uh you know not like a big thing but you
know most aluminum boats or metal boats
have
wood throughout in all different areas
whether it's listings whether it's
cabinetry furniture
installations parts and pieces and one
of the goals of this project was
is to go a hundred percent on with the
boat to prove that we could do it
um by using man-made products things
that are water and permeable
uh for rot reasons you know in theory uh
this boat you could open up the salon
and we'll be able to hit it with a hose
and we might just do a video where we
literally walk into what looks like a
completely finished uh
teak interior and hit it with a hose and
just hose it down
um you know just some unique things so
the boat's going to be entirely
vulnerable
it's uh full aluminum grade construction
uh military standard plus navy standard
plus in terms of the structure and the
ribbing and the makeup
unit uh and then the whole boat has a
sound deadening an anti-vibration
spray foam throughout to help sweating
and moisture
all those things uh far beyond what you
know a lot of traditional builders will
be doing
just to kind of take us to the next
level so there's a lot of time in the
details of this boat with anti-vibration
and sound
yeah the one thing too tim i like what
you're doing there i remember
uh talking to you just before christmas
um
is sort of that because obviously
there's no engines
uh inside the hall we've got all this
area for systems
you know and a place where everything
can be really
well laid out you know that there is not
it's you're not almost stepping on
yourself a lot of boats
unfortunately the systems are the last
thing to be thought about
and they're important because that's
what gives us a lot of creature comforts
and on this one you know you open that
hatch and with
you know the lighting and everything
else it to me it's going to make it
you know a dream to service it's a place
where
yeah of course you've gotta you know
you're not gonna be standing room
but it's a place where you can actually
access
all the different components
that give you the benefits of being on
you know
being connected to a power grid and have
all this you know inverters and again
like that all that stuff
batteries and all the combiners and
chargers all that stuff
is now easily accessible uh and what do
you call that space on that boat i don't
want to
come up with a name but you probably
have one what do you call that that's a
good we'll we'll work on a marketing
term for it because
we need one but but in theory you know
that's exactly what we did is we took a
space that was the engine bay
that is designed for the boat and we
took out what would be traditionally
you know two twin 500 horsepower diesel
engines
remove those out of that area and then
came up with the plan to use 360 degrees
of the vertical space
to install all the equipment and free up
all of the horizontal space in the deck
so what we're able to do right now is
you know the amount of things that we
can keep below deck
and toys and equipment and storage and
unique things
it's endless for this size boat so
you know it's another video we should
probably do in the future is how much
stuff we can cram under deck and keep
pulling out and pulling out is
it'll be ridiculous so it was definitely
a focus of the design
is to to do that and the serviceability
you know being able to get down there
easily
and see visually and service everything
in a well-lit area
it's definitely part of what the plan is
for the boat
yeah what uh what do you think the range
is at cruising speeds on that boat do
you have a sense of what that's going to
be
um at losing speeds we have some ideas
but you know those are hesitant
numbers that i like to put you know not
a lot of weight to until we actually
prove it
you know in theory this is going to be
anywhere between a 500 to 700 nautical
mile range boat
um there's a bunch of room in there and
you know going into trawler mode we
could be well over a thousand nautical
miles on this boat
so um you know we'll look and see what
it is but i mean we're pushing a big
unit
um you know we've got 900 horsepower
diesel
over you know just around 1500 foot
pounds of torque on the back of this
boat on oversized props
and um you know it is called tank for
reason as part of the ride quality so
you know the end of the day um you know
are you going to find more efficient
boats
yes but is it going to be very efficient
and very comfortable and very quiet and
have a very good
ride quality to it absolutely because
that's where we're putting our time and
money and energy yeah
yeah it's a hard way to put your finger
on and you know you know
any car can get you down the road but if
you've ever driven in a well-built
vehicle and you know there's just a
difference in a level of comfort and
that's really what we're pushing for is
that
a general comfort feeling and safety on
the water
yeah so for the listeners out here in
british columbia here we have
uh a lot of because of the narrow
passages in between all the islands
and the inlets we have a situation that
we get a lot of currents around here
uh related to the tides and uh win over
tide
around here is you can get some crazy
steep
shop it can be humbling
um you know the waves are almost
vertical
in certain places in around vancouver
island
and you know having speed is one thing
and it's one thing that you have a boat
when it's relatively flat
and that's of course always pleasant and
feels like a walk in the park
but it's being able to handle the
conditions
that mother nature throws at us with
wind over current
it can uh you know i it
it can get pretty rough out here
obviously it's not the outside it's not
crazy seas but you're going to have a
sea that can be pretty steep
and uncomfortable have you done the same
thing on this one for the seats what's
what's going on at the helm on this boat
on the
on the tactical i know it's a good
question so
there is quite a few companies building
some really excellent pneumatic seating
these days it's becoming a little more
affordable
um we're using a company that's also
from from british columbia called
shockwave
marine seating so we're using on this
boat
uh their s5 units that you know some of
the viewers probably
seen in different pads and things like
that really nice compact little unit
with their corbin custom seats over top
so you know it's not the highest level
of um pneumatic you know shock absorbing
seating
but it's something that will take it to
the next level in this boat and
in the first one that we did we went
over the top and we did
full you know navy grade uh 100
crazy 20 000 type seats you know per
seat set up over the top
and it was awesome but that goes back to
the whole thing about maybe a little
excessive and
so we've looked at what what makes sense
and this is kind of finding that value
proposition of in between where
we're really happy with the results and
the value makes a lot of sense for the
product
so you are you uh can we talk a little
bit about the nav system that you chose
for that boat
um yeah so talk to us a little bit about
your decisions how did you go about
choosing the navigation package for this
boat for the listeners out there how did
you decide for that
foot or what you were gonna go with so i
like
where garmin's gone with a lot of their
stuff over the years and you know
when they first got into the marine
industry i think a lot of people just
went uh they're you know they're a car
you know situation they're you know
they're not going to make it
and they made some big waves pretty
quick in the industry and where they've
got to
so what i like is it's very intuitive
and you know if you went back five years
ago
uh you know there'd be a lot of captains
and owners that would turn their nose up
to
some of the garmin stuff and they would
have to be stuck on certain brands and
things like that and
i won't go into that whole debate
because that's just a whole separate
topic
um but i really i decided i wanted
something that was user-friendly and
capable
and you know whether it's myself at the
helm or whether it is
you know a customer or a newer voter
you know comfort and being able to make
um you know quick decisions based on
information that's in front of you
so the largest screens possible for good
visibility because when it's harry out
or like you mentioned
rough in the water uh being able to make
smart choices
the more comfortable you are and how
easy it is to use a system
is just how much better your voting
experience is and for me
the garmin package was a very good value
for what you've got for a user interface
without having to go to a whole school
learning how to use the system
what kind of radar did you end up
choosing on that boat did you guys end
up doing a radome or an open array
yeah so we ended up going with the
radome we've we've used the open array
before
um for our needs on this
goal in this product uh you know radon
made sense value-wise cost wise
um it was one of those ones that uh
it was more about functionality and
value than it was about
you know having something that was maybe
you know overkill or bigger visual or
more impressive so
i i think we went a little more
economical but i'm really happy with
what we're going to be capable of doing
with just the radon
did you end up with the phantom line uh
for the radar do you know
the reason that is a great question
someone that works at our company
knows that answer yeah i think you ended
up with the phantom line by the way
that's the recommendation
speaking with your team that's i think
where you ended which is
pretty uh i mean garmin makes great
radars there's no doubt
that's what we used right there yeah
exactly phantom radar honestly i
i i had sold a lot of those radars
before
i tried it on my own boat and
i can't believe how the crazy thing
about them is
the automatic acquisition of targets
so they're actually identifying targets
that are coming near you or away from
you and they're color coding them
differently
and this is without even a user so you
can literally now start using your radar
without having to be a pro about radar
you can actually turn it on
do a radar overlay or have it on one
screen
and then you can literally have because
there's certain places in british
columbia again where
there's a lot of different little
islands and islets and you don't even
know
you know it's hard to memorize
everything when you're going fast
and to know that an object is moving and
it's not stationary
and to have to see that target be color
coded differently depending if it's
moving away from you or closer to you
is really a good way especially at speed
to discern
objects of interest versus objects
that you know they're going away from
you there's not really a problem
you know there you're you know and i
think that radar packs a lot of punch
uh and i tried it on my own boat and i
had the original one i had
a 18 and i think it was an hd plus
and i upgraded to the phantom i was like
wow i was like okay
i get it now okay and the price
difference is nominal too which is great
uh it's all about confidence on the
water and those are just factors that
give you more confidence and
you know the more confidence you have
with cruising whether it's with your
family or with friends
with distractions just enhances your
experience in the water and you know
you're going boating because you want to
relax you want to unwind
and if you're nerving and upset and
cautious about everything going on
because you don't have good information
and you don't have reliable systems
then it's going to be a negative effect
on your weekends away so once again
having some of those products just makes
it you know
hang on worth it so another thing too
that i think is worth talking and you
mentioned this about the open concept
but
tell us a little bit and i think it's
i've seen this on other boats as well
but
tell us about the the way that how are
the aft deck
and the main the salon and the galley
separate how does one access the other
can you tell us a little bit about
now we're talking more interior sort of
layout but tell us a little bit about
how you went about designing the
interior layout of this boat
yeah you know that's a it's a great
thing i mean i i believe that
um you know good food good drinks you
know
good friends make for good times and and
when you're there
when you get to that location where
we're going to be whether you're on
anchor
you're tied to a dock and you're wanting
to entertain
you know being in one common space you
know you know you don't want to have
whoever's doing the cooking
separating from everyone else you don't
want to have you know a disjointed boat
you don't want to have upper levels and
lower levels where
the primary time you spend other than
sleeping is in these main areas so
the focus was to to make you know a
40ish foot boat feel bigger and how we
did that
is by an opening bulkhead so the
traditional bulkhead
where you would go into the cabin is set
up on
a full opening window with an opening
door that opens up the space and right
to that area
you know you have your working space of
your galley you have your sink your
cooktop your prep area uh you know all
your refrigeration equipment everything
right there
so that you know what whoever is cooking
whatever is going out just like having a
kitchen party you're right there
and the key is just having everybody
right there hanging out together what do
you do when you're boating
you're cooking you're eating you're
having a good time and that's what it's
all about so
the focus of this boat was around all
those sorts of things of just
entertaining and hanging out
yeah and so you're actually i love it
too i mean i
i remember seeing the seeing the
original number one
and even with number two i mean i think
the layout
that open concept is a game changer
you're absolutely right growing up in a
french canadian family where all the
parties happen in the kitchen
and the living room was almost empty and
everybody was standing room sitting on
counters around
you know there's something there's some
the magic happens in the kitchen or
around the kitchen
and to have the galley be not like you
say tucked away too far
is especially when the weather is nice
um
that is that's a great great picture
there so that's looking through
the aft bulkhead so there's no mullions
or anything between there
the first boat was a powered window so
the window went down the door opened
and that space is completely open in the
next model we're building right now we
we changed the city layout and where
you'd be looking at the outside of that
city that's now
part of the galley in the other side so
it's a little bit different setup so it
relates a little bit more to the indoor
outdoor better
um and it probably takes that open
concept kind of to the next level
yeah and you're right it's a great way
to you know when you start putting walls
everywhere i remember visiting an
apartment in vancouver
i think it was a three bedroom two
bathroom and a den
and like 900 square feet every room felt
like a closet
and the whole thing felt like a dungeon
and i i know it meant all the boxes
you know you could bring and raise a
family there but the challenge was every
single space was your own
but it was tiny and i think with an open
concept
yeah you might not have you know
dedicated spaces for certain things but
the reality is we generally when you're
boating especially on a boat of this
size you're choosing
who's on board i mean these are for
certainly for myself when i'm voting
i'm with loved ones these are people
that i care about these are people i
want to spend time with
you know i i'm not going there to have
my own space when i have guests on board
the boat
i'm going there to live you know it's
it's a party that almost never ends
really
it's uh it's a weekend that you know
you're making memories
from morning to night and then it just
repeats and so
be having that common space is a great
way to just
yeah create the memories um and nobody
feels isolated because everybody wants
to be in it i think when we're voting
you know you don't want to be on your
own and i've seen boats where the galley
is literally
tucked away down below multiple steps no
windows
yeah that's i mean that's harder i mean
of course i understand that some
boarders have to have that but if you're
given a choice of not having it
certainly some of us are going to
appreciate that open concept yeah
tell me a little bit about the tv we had
spoken about that what did you end up
doing with the tv setup because i
thought that was pretty neat when we
were
dreaming uh on the back deck of that
boat just before christmas
tell me where you landed on that maybe
just one thing before that i'll mention
you know if you don't have a setup where
you know you can't have an open concept
you got an existing boat you have the
galley below
you're disconnected a great easy way to
be able to bring that up is
you know buy a better barbecue buy a
better green barbecue
and design some meal plans that really
are focused around barbecuing
all your meal plans bring some of your
prep station outside
buy a cool cutting board that fits for
your boat bring your party to the back
deck you know bring
bring it out there don't focus on a
stove down below and uh
like i said for several hundred bucks
you can upgrade your barbecue change
your meal plan you can change the whole
feeling of how you're boating that
weekend
yeah that's a good point yeah well
uh the tv yeah you know a little opulent
over the top so
you know maximizing the size you know we
have a city inside where on a
you know cold rainy day or whatever it
may be you want to sit there with a
couple you know pillows and cuddle up
with some kids or hang out with a loved
one
flip it down watch a movie but on the
other side we can open the
back bulkhead window split that tvs uh
180 degrees
and we've got you know a 47 inch tv
right on the back deck of the boat which
is completely oversized for a 40-foot
boat in that space
and then we've got it set up with hdmi
and different outputs where we can plug
in
uh an air drone we have on the boat an
underwater submarine that's going to be
on there
and just you know have some fun things
to do let's just take the next level
let's get creative hey you're bored well
let's send over the sub and go check
going to the bottom of the ocean
yeah the kids i mean kids have got to
love that who doesn't want to be jacques
cousteau
we went with the track vision uh
satellite system on this boat
and uh your company helped us sort that
out and you know we could be back there
and you know one of my dreams an
opulence would be
you know cruising trolling for salmon
while watching you know a seahawks game
on sunday
you know or nhl you know hockey game or
something in the back deck or
maybe even watching a golf match that
doesn't take you too much off your
fishing game but
you know that to me was over the top and
probably one of the biggest splurges
on this design just something fun yeah
it's
the great thing about voting like this
especially when you get to dream and
build
is it's it's almost like to me i
describe it as i remember visiting all
these amazing castles in europe
and all these beautiful homes that you
know were museums
i think we're doing that in some way
with voting it's
it's where now people are dreaming about
you know it's not just the science it's
about this sort of
you know the way that my psychologist
told me it's it's
you can you can imagine perfection and
you're chasing it you know because it's
there's boundaries it's not it's not
like land you
there are distinctions of that boat and
you can keep
finding ways of improving it making it
sort of resonate with what boating
you're doing
and when you're on board i'm smiling
just thinking about it
you just feel like it's almost like a
you know it's like
the way that i imagine my world would be
more often than it is
especially on the water i've never been
on the water and said oh you know what i
wish i was somewhere else
it's it's always the place i'd rather be
yeah well you said it before about loved
ones and who you go boating with then
you know you can have as much fun on a
17 foot you know fishing boat because
you can on 150 foot yacht and you can
make memories that last just as long if
not longer and better
so it's who you go it's the mindset it's
about getting on the water
getting those special spots whether
that's out on a you know a fishing hole
you've got or whether it's
special anchorage that you're going to
drop a kayak in the water you know just
get on the water
get on the water and you will have a
better life because of it
exactly so i'm gonna i'm gonna wrap it
up i think we're almost at one hour at
this point i wanna
thank you tim for joining me on our
podcast
i'm really excited about you sharing
your passion
about not only voting but actually
making voting dreams come true for other
voters as well
and with that i'm going to say a big
shout out to everyone for watching
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of leading the way with
all right awesome thanks tim for joining
us thank you it was a fun chat thanks a
lot for doing it
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